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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old 18-06-17, 09:16 AM Thread Starter
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Media opinions, Navs and an Isuzu

So I haven't been on for a while (I have changed to an Isuzu!)

Just a few thoughts on the media, and how we can fall in to believing what we are told, and maybe a thought on the three trucks I have driven lately!

I went for the Isuzu 3.0 denver max le to replace my D22.

Media, the assessor checking the damage to my D22 (which rolled into a fiat punto at low speed) told me how their chassis rot, from the inside out! he had seen it on tele! and that the chassis was bent and beyond repair....
not too convinced about any of that!

I got an Isuzu not a D40.....I am not a troll, I really rate the Navs, but at the time I was looking I could get a higher spec, lower mileage Isuzu than a D40!

Media, all contemporary reports say how the rodeo has a great engine, but is not as refined as the other vehicles in the segment!
After borrowing a friends D40 (2.5) to deliver a while back I can only say that seems wrong to me, My 3.0 is around 129bhp, even with the pro drive activated its only 160 ish (you can really feel the difference)
The D40 had half the miles on it and was half the age of my truck, and certainly, against the media opinion, I think is not as smooth, refined or comfortable as the Isuzu, the interior was quite worn by comparison.

The D40 is a great truck, and had I even seen a 3.0 for sale around here I would have been very tempted.

My old D22 had a cramped cabin by comparison the both of the others, rear leg room being very tight, but it had a bigger load space than the Isuzu, which is quite pitiful in the rear tub! , media didn't tell me that either!

Anyone else had experience of these vehicles to compare?

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So I haven't been on for a while (I have changed to an Isuzu!)



Just a few thoughts on the media, and how we can fall in to believing what we are told, and maybe a thought on the three trucks I have driven lately!



I went for the Isuzu 3.0 denver max le to replace my D22.



Media, the assessor checking the damage to my D22 (which rolled into a fiat punto at low speed) told me how their chassis rot, from the inside out! he had seen it on tele! and that the chassis was bent and beyond repair....

not too convinced about any of that!



I got an Isuzu not a D40.....I am not a troll, I really rate the Navs, but at the time I was looking I could get a higher spec, lower mileage Isuzu than a D40!



Media, all contemporary reports say how the rodeo has a great engine, but is not as refined as the other vehicles in the segment!

After borrowing a friends D40 (2.5) to deliver a while back I can only say that seems wrong to me, My 3.0 is around 129bhp, even with the pro drive activated its only 160 ish (you can really feel the difference)

The D40 had half the miles on it and was half the age of my truck, and certainly, against the media opinion, I think is not as smooth, refined or comfortable as the Isuzu, the interior was quite worn by comparison.



The D40 is a great truck, and had I even seen a 3.0 for sale around here I would have been very tempted.



My old D22 had a cramped cabin by comparison the both of the others, rear leg room being very tight, but it had a bigger load space than the Isuzu, which is quite pitiful in the rear tub! , media didn't tell me that either!



Anyone else had experience of these vehicles to compare?


D40 against Isuzu, is that what you're asking?
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It is all a bit subjective between the pickups, certainly complicated by used vehicles and their condition. My 3.0 litre D40 feels hugely different from my previous 2.5 for example, in reality it shouldn't as it is just a bigger engine.
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D40 against Isuzu, is that what you're asking?
Not really, its not that simple. There is no better or worse, just different.
I liked the look of the D22, I thought it was a great looking truck, and mine worked hard and well.

I loved the engine in the 2.5 D40, for the age a clear class leader to me, spec inside was good, but finish and materials not as good as the isuzu.

and despite the extra 500cc (of the Isuzu) If my life depended on dragging a heavy load, the D40 would be my choice.

The D22 was quite cramped in terms of shoulder and elbow room, and knee room in the back.

I feel the motoring media, reviews etc are not as accurate as the could be, and I wondered if it was the trucks that i have driven that were bucking the trend or whether the press reports are biased?

We all know about the chassis on the D40, but what percentage of trucks are affected? i doubt its the 100% that seems to be popular opinion for example.
I met a guy with a 120k mile d22 on the original engine, but you never hear f these trucks!

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When did they stop making D22s? - Are we having a debate about history?

I have heard nothing bad about the chassis of the D22 in comparison with D40, but that's not necessarily saying the D22 was fine in all respects.

Lastly, having driven a 2.5 Nav and a V6 Nav, and many typical diesel cars (but not an Isuzu truck), I can say the 2.5 Nav engine is, to my ears at least, a bag of bolts, which is probably OK for a 'competitive' truck, while the V6 engine is not far off a BMW for NVH.

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When did they stop making D22s? - Are we having a debate about history?

I have heard nothing bad about the chassis of the D22 in comparison with D40, but that's not necessarily saying the D22 was fine in all respects.

Lastly, having driven a 2.5 Nav and a V6 Nav, and many typical diesel cars (but not an Isuzu truck), I can say the 2.5 Nav engine is, to my ears at least, a bag of bolts, which is probably OK for a 'competitive' truck, while the V6 engine is not far off a BMW for NVH.
Possibly a social comment, I live in a poor area, there are loads of D22s working hard around here, in and area where youngsters whose families have lived for 4 or 5 generations to be outbid by incomers, and we are working our trucks to pay the mortgage and feed our families a D22 may seem like history to you, but is here and now to me!

Actually the debate was about media opinions and how they are percieved!
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Possibly a social comment, I live in a poor area, there are loads of D22s working hard around here, in and area where youngsters whose families have lived for 4 or 5 generations to be outbid by incomers, and we are working our trucks to pay the mortgage and feed our families a D22 may seem like history to you, but is here and now to me!

Actually the debate was about media opinions and how they are percieved!
I have owned a D22 for almost 11 years, I use it for working, I have no need or desire for Bluetooth, built in sat nav, screen controlled heating etc, I am quite happy turning a dial or flicking a switch.
I just want a truck I can get into and start up first time every time, and get where I want to go, and do what I want to do,
I only bought this one because of Nissan's previous reputation for long life and reliability, also the fact that it had a blown up engine and was dirt cheap, at the time I was unaware of the D22 engine fault, after being a member here for almost 11 years, and learning about all the problems succeeding models have, this is the LAST Nissan I will be buying.
I will be joining the Isuzu gang.
Isuzu and Toyota have what I want, reliability, long lives and no inherent manufacturing defects.
Re: Media reports, most are written by car journalists that would rather be testing a Porsche or Ferrari and that have probably just got out of a Top of the range Mercedes, they have NO idea what qualities a good working pickup needs, they know a working man will probably never read their piece, but someone wishing to jump on the pickup lifestyle bandwagon will, hence their piece will be coloured by how many LED's it has, the quality of the USB sockets, the number of cup holders etc etc.
IMHO that is why Isuzu score so poorly in the press.
Or you could do what I do, I joined our sister site for Isuzu owners about 8 years ago (when I still lacked trust in my D22) and find out what they suffer with (sticky front calipers is common, that's about it for generic faults), and stop and chat to every Isuzu driver you come across, most would never swap manufacturers.
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It's interesting that Isuzu set up dealers (often in conjunction with Subaru) in rural areas.

A deliberate and quite successful strategy to compete against the obsolete Defender.

It is a Chevy Colorado with an Isuzu diesel engine so hard to argue with its pedigree.
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I have owned a D22 for almost 11 years, I use it for working, I have no need or desire for Bluetooth, built in sat nav, screen controlled heating etc, I am quite happy turning a dial or flicking a switch.
I just want a truck I can get into and start up first time every time, and get where I want to go, and do what I want to do,
I only bought this one because of Nissan's previous reputation for long life and reliability, also the fact that it had a blown up engine and was dirt cheap, at the time I was unaware of the D22 engine fault, after being a member here for almost 11 years, and learning about all the problems succeeding models have, this is the LAST Nissan I will be buying.
I will be joining the Isuzu gang.
Isuzu and Toyota have what I want, reliability, long lives and no inherent manufacturing defects.
Re: Media reports, most are written by car journalists that would rather be testing a Porsche or Ferrari and that have probably just got out of a Top of the range Mercedes, they have NO idea what qualities a good working pickup needs, they know a working man will probably never read their piece, but someone wishing to jump on the pickup lifestyle bandwagon will, hence their piece will be coloured by how many LED's it has, the quality of the USB sockets, the number of cup holders etc etc.
IMHO that is why Isuzu score so poorly in the press.
Or you could do what I do, I joined our sister site for Isuzu owners about 8 years ago (when I still lacked trust in my D22) and find out what they suffer with (sticky front calipers is common, that's about it for generic faults), and stop and chat to every Isuzu driver you come across, most would never swap manufacturers.
I guess you are right about media hacks, I mean 0-60 time is less important than how it hauls a load up a hill, or gets through a muddy gateway!
Not sure if i am on my own in this, but pushing a button for 4wd , just doesn't seem right.

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Button = switch = wiring = electrics = possibility of going wrong.
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