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Buying an EV, YOU need to be aware of this government scumbag trick!

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chris vince
Not really a rant, I don't have an EV or any plans sometime soon, I could see this happening but couldn't work out just how 'they' would achieve it? I have had many heated pub arguments re the subject, HOW WILL THE GOVERNMENT MAKE UP THE SHORTFALL IN REVENUE once we all have EV's, INHO there is no way on earth 'they' will let EV's be charged for the same rate as boiling a kettle for a cuppa!
The upcoming prospective revenue tax losses from both fuel duty and VAT as a result of the widespread purchasing of EV's will run into the £Billions!
This is how!! You may already know this, I didn't and haven't seen it advertised anywhere!
I came across this government bill recently cut and pasted below is what I think are the most relevant sections.

The regulations state that charge points sold for the intended private charging of vehicles must meet certain device-level requirements, which include:
  • smart functionality, including the ability to send and receive information, the ability to respond to signals to increase the rate or time at which electricity flows through the charge point, demand side response services and a user interface
  • electricity supplier interoperability, allowing the charge point to retain smart functionality even if the owner switches electricity supplier
  • continued charging even if the charge point ceases to be connected to a communications network
  • safety provisions, preventing the user carrying out an operation which could risk the health or safety of a person
  • a measuring system, to measure or calculate the electricity imported or exported and the time the charging lasts, with visibility to the owner of this information
  • security requirements consistent with the existing cyber security standard ETSI EN 303 645
They are going to achieve it through Smart Chargers that became mandatory yesterday, 1st June, these chargers will have a measuring system that will remotely inform your supplier how many KWH's you have 'bought' to charge your car, so why would not only a morally bankrupt but also fiscally bankrupt government continue to allow EV's to be run mega cheaply compared to a fossil fuel car? I can foresee car KWH's becoming very comparable in cost to a gallon of squirt!
Also notice the word 'Exported' in the 5th paragraph, this gives the grid the opportunity to use an EV's batteries to support a failure of total grid capacity.
Remote control gives the electricity supplier the power to say when the charger will work, and at what rate of charge, they do say this can be overridden with an app.
Am I being overly cautious, what is your understanding of this NEW racket?
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landmannnn
My neighbor was telling me she paid 65p per kw at a motorway services recently. That makes it about the same as petrol/diesel.

I do wonder, there are plenty of subsidies on EVs, the big one is the amount of tax saved if you have an EV as a company car in the UK. Depending on the country, no road tax, no road tolls, free city centre parking, government cashback on purchase.

Plenty of other knock on impacts too. Fewer fuel stations, petrol/diesel becoming more expensive, fewer mechanics and garages, reduced demand for steel, higher electricity prices. If you drive through most towns have the outskirts proliferated with car dealers, exhaust centres, mot centres, what will happen to the loss of jobs and taxes when they go?


I suspect that within the next 5 to 10 years the subsidies/incentives will go and we will see EV running costs not dissimilar to current ICE vehicles.
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chris vince said:
Not really a rant, I don't have an EV or any plans sometime soon, I could see this happening but couldn't work out just how 'they' would achieve it? I have had many heated pub arguments re the subject, HOW WILL THE GOVERNMENT MAKE UP THE SHORTFALL IN REVENUE once we all have EV's, INHO there is no way on earth 'they' will let EV's be charged for the same rate as boiling a kettle for a cuppa!
The upcoming prospective revenue tax losses from both fuel duty and VAT as a result of the widespread purchasing of EV's will run into the £Billions!
This is how!! You may already know this, I didn't and haven't seen it advertised anywhere!
I came across this government bill recently cut and pasted below is what I think are the most relevant sections.

The regulations state that charge points sold for the intended private charging of vehicles must meet certain device-level requirements, which include:
  • smart functionality, including the ability to send and receive information, the ability to respond to signals to increase the rate or time at which electricity flows through the charge point, demand side response services and a user interface
  • electricity supplier interoperability, allowing the charge point to retain smart functionality even if the owner switches electricity supplier
  • continued charging even if the charge point ceases to be connected to a communications network
  • safety provisions, preventing the user carrying out an operation which could risk the health or safety of a person
  • a measuring system, to measure or calculate the electricity imported or exported and the time the charging lasts, with visibility to the owner of this information
  • security requirements consistent with the existing cyber security standard ETSI EN 303 645
They are going to achieve it through Smart Chargers that became mandatory yesterday, 1st June, these chargers will have a measuring system that will remotely inform your supplier how many KWH's you have 'bought' to charge your car, so why would not only a morally bankrupt but also fiscally bankrupt government continue to allow EV's to be run mega cheaply compared to a fossil fuel car? I can foresee car KWH's becoming very comparable in cost to a gallon of squirt!
Also notice the word 'Exported' in the 5th paragraph, this gives the grid the opportunity to use an EV's batteries to support a failure of total grid capacity.
Remote control gives the electricity supplier the power to say when the charger will work, and at what rate of charge, they do say this can be overridden with an app.
Am I being overly cautious, what is your understanding of this NEW racket?
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If you don’t have a so called Smart Meter you should be fine and all EV‘s can be charged from the granny lead which uses the normal three pin socket, it’s extremely slow so no good if your covering a lot of miles per day but no one can track that power usage was used on the EV.
Having your own solar panels and chargers that will be linked together to charge your EV when you tell it to and block taking any power from the grid can limit your exposure to these inflated electricity prices.
There will be a cross over point where an EV will be as expensive to top up as an ICE vehicle now, maybe even more expensive, we all know how British Governments love to rip off the motorists.
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BTW97
Re all above: doesn't surprise me at all.

I have nothing against being 'greener' etc, but the other point which I have serious issues with is how electric cars are portrayed as clean and green, but if you look into the manufacturing processes, and the sourcing of materials like cobalt it is truly shocking. Basically big corporations supporting child labour in countries like Congo, a point which is conveniently ignored but very well documented. (4 years ago it was estimated 40,000 children in mines alone, some as young as 4)
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chris vince said:
Not really a rant, I don't have an EV or any plans sometime soon, I could see this happening but couldn't work out just how 'they' would achieve it? I have had many heated pub arguments re the subject, HOW WILL THE GOVERNMENT MAKE UP THE SHORTFALL IN REVENUE once we all have EV's, INHO there is no way on earth 'they' will let EV's be charged for the same rate as boiling a kettle for a cuppa!
The upcoming prospective revenue tax losses from both fuel duty and VAT as a result of the widespread purchasing of EV's will run into the £Billions!
This is how!! You may already know this, I didn't and haven't seen it advertised anywhere!
I came across this government bill recently cut and pasted below is what I think are the most relevant sections.

The regulations state that charge points sold for the intended private charging of vehicles must meet certain device-level requirements, which include:
  • smart functionality, including the ability to send and receive information, the ability to respond to signals to increase the rate or time at which electricity flows through the charge point, demand side response services and a user interface
  • electricity supplier interoperability, allowing the charge point to retain smart functionality even if the owner switches electricity supplier
  • continued charging even if the charge point ceases to be connected to a communications network
  • safety provisions, preventing the user carrying out an operation which could risk the health or safety of a person
  • a measuring system, to measure or calculate the electricity imported or exported and the time the charging lasts, with visibility to the owner of this information
  • security requirements consistent with the existing cyber security standard ETSI EN 303 645
They are going to achieve it through Smart Chargers that became mandatory yesterday, 1st June, these chargers will have a measuring system that will remotely inform your supplier how many KWH's you have 'bought' to charge your car, so why would not only a morally bankrupt but also fiscally bankrupt government continue to allow EV's to be run mega cheaply compared to a fossil fuel car? I can foresee car KWH's becoming very comparable in cost to a gallon of squirt!
Also notice the word 'Exported' in the 5th paragraph, this gives the grid the opportunity to use an EV's batteries to support a failure of total grid capacity.
Remote control gives the electricity supplier the power to say when the charger will work, and at what rate of charge, they do say this can be overridden with an app.
Am I being overly cautious, what is your understanding of this NEW racket?
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Today the UK government removed the EV purchase subsidy with no notice.

So it is all beginning....
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landmannnn said:
Today the UK government removed the EV purchase subsidy with no notice.

So it is all beginning....
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Noticed that. Presumably they feel that the BIK savings are enough of an incentive.
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