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Generic 4wd question - Locking Diff

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#1 ·
Good evening, I have a general question regarding the 4wd system. I know it's a part time system and that it should not be engaged unless on slippery surfaces. However when you do engage 4wd (lo or hi), my understanding is that all 4 wheels are LOCKED, I.e. they will rotate at the same speed, hence the scrubbing you get if you do engage on Tarmac. This guaranteed rotation is what will pull you free providing at least 1 wheel has traction of course. If this is true, why is it then that I have seen videos of Navs stuck in the mud with only 1 wheel spinning, the other 3 wheels stationery? He must have been in 4wd as it was the front wheel that was spinning. Thanks in advance.
 
#2 ·
Unless the axles themselves have locking diffs, or traction control ( which most Navaras do not have ), it is possible to have a wheel on each axle spin.

The reason you get transmission wind up on sealed surfaces is the front axle tends to travel further than the rear.
 
#4 ·
I take it therefore that all 4 wheels are not locked together as one might imagine! Mine does not have an LSD or traction control, she's too old (55 plate euro 3).
 
#5 ·
No, they are not locked, the only standard vehicles fitted with diff locks were the Merc G wagon and the pinzgauer. Most other 4x4 vehicles get by fine with open differentials.

You'll get a full explanation here;

viewtopic.php?f=45&t=1098
 
#8 ·
Thanks all for your replies. As I said earlier, very happy as to when to use the 4wd system, even low range. I've had some very successful off road trips and snowy road conditions. As the advice says, take it slowly and engage 2wd as soon as possible. I still don't properly understand the system though. I have seen the link posted before but read it again anyway, and I do understand that if 4wd was engaged on Tarmac, the front wheels would have too much grip which would not allow the wheels to slip (different speed to the rear...), causing serious damage...eventually. This surely means then that all 4 wheels are rotating at exactly the same speed. How then could you get 1 wheel on an axle spinning whilst the other is stopped. Sorry to sound dumb, and this isn't something that is causing me a problem, just intrigued. It's a great truck, never been stuck, always felt very secure and sure footed off road so certainly not complaining. Thanks again guys.
 
#9 ·
When you engage 4wd, the only difference is the drive from he main gearbox is split 50/50 to the front and rear axles.

The axles themselves still have fully operational differentials which means that the torque will divert to the wheel with least grip/resistance. As previously mentioned not UK D40s have a 'limited slip' differential on the rear axle and this will resist the urge to allow all the torque to just one wheel.

I'm off for a lie down now :faint
 
#10 ·
Got it, so only 50/50 split front and rear. So if 1 wheel front and back lose traction and therefore receive all the power of that axle, you're going no where! Thanks for advice.
 
#11 ·
just find a big ******* muddy field and go for it 4WD foot to the floor if you make it out the other side sorted it works fine
:lol: :lol: :lol: 8) :thumbleft:

works for me :D
 
#12 ·
#14 ·
PCUK said:
Mines got a LSD, although I've never needed it. Does it lock both front and rear axles when engaged?
I thought there was a 'wind up here, but I've worked it out.

You have an imported D40 with a rear diff lock fitted as standard, the same as Carts. When you activate the switch, it only locks up the rear diff, making the rear wheels rotate together at the same speed regardless of the grip the tyres are exerting.