Hi all, just bought my first navara in January, a 54 plate for £3000. Only got 86000 on it and I've only done around 500 miles in it. Last monday, it threw a rod through the engine block. Obviously I'm not very happy with it but need to sort it. Got too much in it to scrap it. Have found a few places around midlands offering recon engines for around £1000 but they want a serviceable engine in exchange. Have heard the 2.7 terrano engine can be fitted but is quite involved. Looking for advice on the best way to sort it. Anyone got any ideas?
Engine/conversion advice needed
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Hi all, just bought my first navara in January, a 54 plate for £3000. Only got 86000 on it and I've only done around 500 miles in it. Last monday, it threw a rod through the engine block. Obviously I'm not very happy with it but need to sort it. Got too much in it to scrap it. Have found a few places around midlands offering recon engines for around £1000 but they want a serviceable engine in exchange. Have heard the 2.7 terrano engine can be fitted but is quite involved. Looking for advice on the best way to sort it. Anyone got any ideas?
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Hi welcome
The D22 gurus should be along shortly. The general consensus is there is only one engine rebuilder/reconditioner to go to, our forum sponsor Billcar, any other is a gamble.
The 2.7 conversion is popular, this will keep you busy until the guys come along with specifics. viewtopic.php?f=25&t=8036&hilit=TERRANO
While you are waiting pop into the 'Introduce yourself' section to tell us more about yourself and your Navara. You'll get a warm welcome and more members will be willing to chip in to help. :thumbright:
The D22 gurus should be along shortly. The general consensus is there is only one engine rebuilder/reconditioner to go to, our forum sponsor Billcar, any other is a gamble.
The 2.7 conversion is popular, this will keep you busy until the guys come along with specifics. viewtopic.php?f=25&t=8036&hilit=TERRANO
While you are waiting pop into the 'Introduce yourself' section to tell us more about yourself and your Navara. You'll get a warm welcome and more members will be willing to chip in to help. :thumbright:
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1600E said:
Hi and :welcome mate my son has just had his engine done by bill car thay are the best place to sort it out for you as for the 2.7 Torano it would need a diesel pump that is manuel i think lots of mucking about :gotpics when you can
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Thanks. Reason I asked about the 2.7 is that I saw a guy on ebay selling as a 'complete conversion kit' Noticed it had gearbox, pedals etc so presumed it would be quite involved. Not sure if exhaust would match either? Bit stumped at the minute. Would have no problem if it was a Cortina, lol.
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1600E said:
My first car was a mk3 ford cortina 2.0cc GT lovely motor i wish i still had it when i was 17 years old
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I agree, but if you are going to go down the re-build route, at least source your parts from Billcar and use their knowledge of the engine.1600E said:
Have a look at this post, viewtopic.php?f=3&t=66513
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Hi and welcome, sorry to hear about your d22! I'd seen you've read my thread about mine, waiting to hear news at the moment, but getting ever more nervous about making the right decisions! Had loads of great advice from here so worth the time asking questions!
Good luck with yours and keep us up to date with it, will be watching intently with somebody going through a similar situation!
Best of luck!
Good luck with yours and keep us up to date with it, will be watching intently with somebody going through a similar situation!
Best of luck!
The 3.1 Isuzu lump was popular to transplant, no ecu needed to run a fancy injection system, but 20mpg was an average fuel consumption guide, we ran one here for nine years or more.
At a guess the truck left here with up on 300k on it though.
Start messing around with different engine transplants and you'll devalue the truck significantly.
Wait till you can buy the right fix, sell it now for between 1 to 1.5k and loose 1500 or spend 750 on a patch up job and your truck's still worth little more than 2000
At a guess the truck left here with up on 300k on it though.
Start messing around with different engine transplants and you'll devalue the truck significantly.
Wait till you can buy the right fix, sell it now for between 1 to 1.5k and loose 1500 or spend 750 on a patch up job and your truck's still worth little more than 2000
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MYTH BUSTED..Navara/Terrano 2.7Tdi
Hi..i am in the middle of converting my 2003 navara to a 2.7tdi from a 2001 terrano..
my engine like many others put a con rod through the block without any warning..
Now depending on your mechanical ability and how far you want to go into the conversion there are really only two options on a 2.7 conversion
option 1: full conversion:
remove your navara engine and gearbox complete:
Seperate the engine then we begin
This conversion entails swapping pretty much everything over from your navara engine onto the terrano engine...exhaust/inlet manifolds&injectors,rocker cover,water pump.front timing chain casing,oil cooler casing,back plate,flywheel and clutch..then fit your 2.5 navara injection pump to the 2.7 engine keepin the timing setting as exactly the same as on the navara 2.5 engine for the moment...
Refit engine and gearbox back together as one unit and install,then fit,crossmember,exhaust pipe,all fuel and electronic connections etc...BIG conversion but well worth the work if you want it all to look and work as original...run engine and then advance the pump fuel pressure to stop any lack in power by turning in the pressure screw on the back of the pump in a clockwise direction about 1/8th of a turn,,,avoid overturning as it will cause the engine to easily smoke..some pumps don't have the pressure screw so it will need to be plugged into a tune machine and advanced that way but can be done..remember there is only 200cc difference in the navara terrano engines so the necessary increase in fuel pressure to get it run efficiently is very very small..
option 2: semi conversion
here you can fit the terrano engine and terrano gearbox/transfer box complete using the navara engine mounts as already mentioned in another thred on here.then use a mechanical injection pump to run engine,connect the injection pump solenoid wire to an ignition wire to get the pump to run but then your Nats system won't work neither will the rev counter as the terrano mechanical pump has no switch connections ie a pulse switch to operate those systems..the terrano front exhaust pipe is also needed as the navara front pipe doesn't quite fit but the navara middle exhaust will connect up ok, propshaft off navara fits terrano gearbox..last job either fit throttle pedal off terrano or convert your navara pedal to accept a throttle cable((bit tricky but can be done))..
For me iam working on option 1 as i want my navara to look and run as it did before and everything to work..it has consumed two days so far but in the end i feel it will be worth it..my terrano engine cost me £250 and another £70 for all the replacement gaskets and seals..so at a saving of just under £1200 ((engine £1500 without exchange mine has the hole in the block)) i felt it was well worth the effort...
Hope this way lays some of the myth's surrounding the navara 2.7 conversion...
i got most of my help from a guy who did this and succeded...here's his story
http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/myb ... 522&page=2
when completed i'll post my story on here with some pictures of the working progress and final completion and road test
james
Hi..i am in the middle of converting my 2003 navara to a 2.7tdi from a 2001 terrano..
my engine like many others put a con rod through the block without any warning..
Now depending on your mechanical ability and how far you want to go into the conversion there are really only two options on a 2.7 conversion
option 1: full conversion:
remove your navara engine and gearbox complete:
Seperate the engine then we begin
This conversion entails swapping pretty much everything over from your navara engine onto the terrano engine...exhaust/inlet manifolds&injectors,rocker cover,water pump.front timing chain casing,oil cooler casing,back plate,flywheel and clutch..then fit your 2.5 navara injection pump to the 2.7 engine keepin the timing setting as exactly the same as on the navara 2.5 engine for the moment...
Refit engine and gearbox back together as one unit and install,then fit,crossmember,exhaust pipe,all fuel and electronic connections etc...BIG conversion but well worth the work if you want it all to look and work as original...run engine and then advance the pump fuel pressure to stop any lack in power by turning in the pressure screw on the back of the pump in a clockwise direction about 1/8th of a turn,,,avoid overturning as it will cause the engine to easily smoke..some pumps don't have the pressure screw so it will need to be plugged into a tune machine and advanced that way but can be done..remember there is only 200cc difference in the navara terrano engines so the necessary increase in fuel pressure to get it run efficiently is very very small..
option 2: semi conversion
here you can fit the terrano engine and terrano gearbox/transfer box complete using the navara engine mounts as already mentioned in another thred on here.then use a mechanical injection pump to run engine,connect the injection pump solenoid wire to an ignition wire to get the pump to run but then your Nats system won't work neither will the rev counter as the terrano mechanical pump has no switch connections ie a pulse switch to operate those systems..the terrano front exhaust pipe is also needed as the navara front pipe doesn't quite fit but the navara middle exhaust will connect up ok, propshaft off navara fits terrano gearbox..last job either fit throttle pedal off terrano or convert your navara pedal to accept a throttle cable((bit tricky but can be done))..
For me iam working on option 1 as i want my navara to look and run as it did before and everything to work..it has consumed two days so far but in the end i feel it will be worth it..my terrano engine cost me £250 and another £70 for all the replacement gaskets and seals..so at a saving of just under £1200 ((engine £1500 without exchange mine has the hole in the block)) i felt it was well worth the effort...
Hope this way lays some of the myth's surrounding the navara 2.7 conversion...
i got most of my help from a guy who did this and succeded...here's his story
http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/myb ... 522&page=2
when completed i'll post my story on here with some pictures of the working progress and final completion and road test
james
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jimbonavara said:
WOW WOW Hi and :welcome mate lot of info so lets hope it will help people do the job :awesomework :awesomeworkHi,
Just an observation, nobody seems very surprised that the engine threw a rod at 86,000 miles. I have had a wide selection of vehicles over the years and apart from a porous block on a Range Rover I have never had anything that catastrophic at such a low mileage. My Nav Aventura Auto has done 84,000 miles, should I start to worry?
Just an observation, nobody seems very surprised that the engine threw a rod at 86,000 miles. I have had a wide selection of vehicles over the years and apart from a porous block on a Range Rover I have never had anything that catastrophic at such a low mileage. My Nav Aventura Auto has done 84,000 miles, should I start to worry?
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It's a D40 isn't it, in which case not about throwing a rod, but I would be very concerned about the timing chain jumping/snapping.
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Hi..the 98 navara engine will fit the later navara D22 02-05 model but you will have to change the fly by wire fuel pump and possibly other things like the backplate, flywheel and clutch,manifolds and front timing casing if it hasn't got the sensor switch at the bottom right hand side..if at all it's possibe try and compare engines before buying as if you need to go through a big conversion process then the terrano engine will most certainly be a cheaper and more reliable option with the added bonus of better fuel efficiency and more power...1600E said:
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