pre and post facelift 22

MrGrunter · Jun 6, 2014

I am still looking for that budget buy and need to pick something up fairly soon. However There are a few of the facelift 22's about that have made me think perhaps I should keep saving a bit longer and see if I can pick up one of those instead.

So What I am after is a real world comparison of the Td and Yd, what are they like to live with, running costs etc.. Difficult I know, but for the purpose of this ignore the bottom end issue with the YD, there is more than enough info on that particular problem.
I have also noticed a few that appear to be a mixture of the two versions. Is there a list anywhere of what differences there are? Or will I get all that info if I pick up a manual/s?

MrGrunter · Jun 6, 2014

So does the YD have any fuel savings over the TD for the engine refinements? Or is that negated by the extra available power. Lets face it.. if you have more power, you tend to use it.

I had seen that the parts for the bottom end are not too expensive and it is a job I can do myself.

I had also noticed that billcar avertise the rebuild/mod, but will only give a waranty on sub 75k engines? (i think it was 75k?) does that mean that higher mileage facelift examples are a gamble even if you intend to carry out the modifications.

eddmurphy · Jun 6, 2014

Well I modded my engine at 110,000 and it's now on 140,000 and still going strong.

I regularly tow very laden trailers and it never grumbles too much

Keep the fluids changed on a regular basis making sure the transfer/gearboxes get done too

MrGrunter · Jun 6, 2014

eddmurphy said:
Well I modded my engine at 110,000 and it's now on 140,000 and still going strong.

I regularly tow very laden trailers and it never grumbles too much

Keep the fluids changed on a regular basis making sure the transfer/gearboxes get done too

Thats good to know..

What sort of mpg do you get in general?

pdfisher · Jun 6, 2014

i get 31/33 mpg 28 when towing

eddmurphy · Jun 6, 2014

26mpg average for me. 75% towing best part of 3 tonne and truck loaded at about 3 tonne too....

wozizname · Jun 6, 2014

As said above the two trucks are pretty much the same apart from the engines and a few other body/trim changes.
Both trucks are reliable and cheap to run once the YD motor has been modified.
Mine had the 'mod' at 32,000 and now on 120,000 miles.
Been to Southern Spain 8 times and going again this year and toured Europe a fair bit towing a caravan.
Mine is always loaded with work tools and tows regularly returning 33-35 mpg average and 28-30 mpg when towing IF you keep the engine revs below 3000rpm.

MrGrunter · Jun 7, 2014

wozizname said:
As said above the two trucks are pretty much the same apart from the engines and a few other body/trim changes.
Both trucks are reliable and cheap to run once the YD motor has been modified.
Mine had the 'mod' at 32,000 and now on 120,000 miles.
Been to Southern Spain 8 times and going again this year and toured Europe a fair bit towing a caravan.
Mine is always loaded with work tools and tows regularly returning 33-35 mpg average and 28-30 mpg when towing IF you keep the engine revs below 3000rpm.

This is pretty much what my intended use will be eventually, closer to home while I get to know the truck and then further afield later on..
For a daily drive and use for work, I need to keep as close to 30mpg (or better) as I can. It looks like either one will do that if I go easy with the skinny pedal..

xzibit206 · Jun 7, 2014

Gambled on a D22 in November and I'm so glad I did. Spent xmas eve in my inspection pit changing out the bolts and shells etc.

Running cost wise, I get around 35mpg but I have blanked the EGR and got the free wheel hubs on (best investment!). Tends to just be me in the pick up and I run around 300 miles each week. I buy my oil from costco in large drums so it's not all that expensive (£45 for 20L)

MrGrunter · Jun 7, 2014

I would be quite happy if I can achieve 35mpg..

The EGR mod appears to be an easy and common way to gain that little bit extra. Is there an equivalent on the TD? as I understand it there is no EGR.. are any gains on the TD going to be at the hands of a diesel tech only?

Phoenix · Jun 7, 2014

MrGrunter said:
I would be quite happy if I can achieve 35mpg..

The EGR mod appears to be an easy and common way to gain that little bit extra. Is there an equivalent on the TD? as I understand it there is no EGR.. are any gains on the TD going to be at the hands of a diesel tech only?

Nothing been done to my EGR, it returns around 25-30, av 28 mpg all the time, i prefer reliability & even though my chassis is rotted, it still starts & drives perfectly. :thumbright:

(No sarky comments please)

xzibit206 · Jun 7, 2014

Well regardless of the engine, you could still fit the free wheels. I found marginal gains with the egr block but a big gain with the free wheels and only around 50 quid a piece. On my consumption they will have paid for themselves by around week 10 post fitting.

MrGrunter · Jun 7, 2014

Phoenix said:
MrGrunter said:

I would be quite happy if I can achieve 35mpg..

The EGR mod appears to be an easy and common way to gain that little bit extra. Is there an equivalent on the TD? as I understand it there is no EGR.. are any gains on the TD going to be at the hands of a diesel tech only?

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Nothing been done to my EGR, it returns around 25-30, av 28 mpg all the time, i prefer reliability & even though my chassis is rotted, it still starts & drives perfectly. :thumbright:

(No sarky comments please)

Am I right in thinking that this is while running oversized tyres?

As for the freewheel hubs, I have noticed the benefit on my current budget banger frontera..
But I really dislike the auto ones, Not sure if it is just because of the twisty lanes locally but it seems the front end will grab on tight corners. I know they are not driven unless in 4wd range, but maybe it is the inertia of the shaft when it engages that is the issue.. Whatever it is... I dont like it..

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