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Hi
Picked up my 2014 Outlaw V6 a few weeks ago

Father in Law telling me I should get it remapped for power/fuel economy.

Never had a vehicle remapped before.

Anyone got similar Navara and had remap done? Worthwhile?

Any advice gratefully received.

Cheers
 
Hi
Picked up my 2014 Outlaw V6 a few weeks ago

Father in Law telling me I should get it remapped for power/fuel economy.

Never had a vehicle remapped before.

Anyone got similar Navara and had remap done? Worthwhile?

Any advice gratefully received.

Cheers
So having driven it, does it need more power?

230bhp and 550nm of torque says no in my mind, although a remap and bigger turbo could give you 100bhp more.

The economy gains from a remap are minimal, at best. So the answer here is no too.
 
IMHO unless it's completely understood what a given remap does in detail, I'd not do it. There is more to getting it right than just changing the data tables that control fuelling and boost.

You cannot easily upgrade the cat, the DPF or EGR all of which will get clogged up sooner if you burn more fuel (which is how to get more torque). My friend's V6 kept going into limp mode after a remap, and he had to have it set back to the factory map to stop it recurring; the suppliers agreed the map was most probably to blame. He tows, but in theory that's not much different to just having a heavy right foot. There is more that goes on in the ECU of a modern diesel than many people realize, including the remappers.....
 
I have remapped every vehicle I have owned (apart from the Navara actually!) for the last 10 years or so.... that’s around 6 vehicles in all, ranging from 6 litre American muscle car, a van, normally aspirated, turbo’s and diesels. I have never regretted or had a single problem with one of them.

I would recommend you use a very reputable tuning house. I can recommend e maps, Angel Tuning, Vantuner or similar. These guys have no bad review anywhere.

The people who nay say on forums are usually those who have never had anything tuned of their own and listen to bad press/stories or hearsay...... It’s up to the individual so do your homework and make an informed decision that is right for yourself.

:)
 
Although your generic comments are correct, the V6 D40 does require consideration on two fronts...

The gearbox is rated at 600Nm, so adding any more than 50Nm will exceed the gearbox rating. There isn't a margin for error here, the 370z community have discovered that the 7AT transmission ratings shouldn't be exceeded.

The DPF is also close to its design limits. So the remap would need to include a DPF delete which isn't allowed in many countries.

My main point as in the second post, is that 230bhp / 550 Nm is more than adequate for most people in a pickup. Unlike the 4 cylinder engines in the lesser models, I spend almost zero percent of the time on full throttle.
 
Many of us have had vehicles with remaps in the past, and nothing bad happened. Sometimes, these upped turbo boost only, with the fuelling following automatically, based on airflow. Easy to do on an older turbo petrol car, or older diesels. I maintain that with Euro 5 and Euro 6 diesels the whole idea has got way more complicated. For example, there now is also a mapping that controls EGR operation based on several variables from sensors and just for one example can change VGT vane angle - it's no longer an open-loop, best-guess system. I'd want to know that a remap got this right too, and maybe triggered DPF regens more often.

I'm not saying a remap doesn't work (notwithstanding mechanical stress as LM says), I'm saying that because the sophistication of systems has moved on hugely in the last few years, there may be unforeseen consequences in the longer term, as I doubt the the sophistication of many remappers has kept up.

Anyway, why not buy an M3 or GT-R instead of a truck? :)
 
The people who nay say on forums are usually those who have never had anything tuned of their own and listen to bad press/stories or hearsay...... It’s up to the individual so do your homework and make an informed decision that is right for yourself.

:)
Bit of a generalisation there as well.So others shouldnt have an opinion unless they agree with yours,I dont need to jump off a cliff to know its not a good idea. As others have said its not as straight forward as you seem to think it is with modern diesels . Most nowadays need major fiddling with just to get at the mapping as by law it has to be locked. I have yet to see a so called power improving map that genuinely improves economy,those that believe it does are deluded themselves and kid themselves that the money was well spent. More HP burns more fuel its that basic.
This is where the problem with you saying do your homework comes in, the punter is relying on the honesty of the mappers mainly. Next time you get a vehicle mapped get them to sign a document saying the vehicle is still within the emmissions law and they will stand by that. The new emmissions test at MOT will catch out many soon as its not just a straight forward smoke test any more.
 
Upcoming emission tests will still have to err on the side of caution - they are not really trying to put millions of people off the road (however appealing that seems!).
I doubt a remap, unless it's really bad, might push an otherwise healthy engine over the line. A smoke-chip may well do, though, being a 90's quick and (literally) dirty tuning option.

It may be however, that a third-party change to an ECU could contravene construction and use regs, if it in any way altered the manufacturers emissions that would have been stated for type approval. A marginal idea, and it would need testing in court, if it ever came to that!

I think all tuners should have to offer a warranty on drive-line components and all of the pollution control components, and should automatically have to inform the owner's insurance company directly, of any changes. I suspect a lot of drivers don't tell their insurers, and risk a nullified or reduced insurance payouts in the event of an expensive claim. Silly, also because some insurers are quite happy to not charge you more on the premium.
 
I have had my 2011 V6 since March 2014

I have never thought it needs more power

I guess it’s down to what you want it for

There was a Navara a few years back running a fully tuned Nissan GTR engine and drive chain which would have been rapid
 
Hi
Picked up my 2014 Outlaw V6 a few weeks ago

Father in Law telling me I should get it remapped for power/fuel economy.

Never had a vehicle remapped before.

Anyone got similar Navara and had remap done? Worthwhile?

Any advice gratefully received.

Cheers
Save your money, the V6 has more than enough power.
 
Any automatic turbo diesel will be a bit sluggish off the line as the turbo is not spinning at idle (on a manual you will often rev it a bit before dropping the clutch).
I wouldn't describe mine as noisy, so unless you are more sensitive than me, you might have a problem.
 
Noisy and sluggish? Mine positively leaps off the mark very smoothly... Totally standard V6....

I regularly tow a 4.2t 5th wheel caravan between the North Highlands and the Algarve (total 6.5t). There are some serious hills in places on that journey, and you are 'pedal to the metal' to keep up. Sport mode, or even manual mode helps, as is reduces the tendency to to change up too frequently, and also gives more engine braking, which is good for going downhill.

I know several people who have the V6/Celtic Rambler combination - it is arguably a 'classic' set up for long distance/long stay camping. One friend had a remap done last year, and subsequently the truck went into limp mode several times when towing (blocked DPF) - and of course, in the middle of nowhere, abroad. On return to the UK, the supplier removed the remap and conceded that it was unsuitable for towing. My friend was told that there were now so many sensors, the software doesn't work well with a simple remap. They no longer offer the remap for those who tow. I suspect if you use your right foot a lot, you'd get the same result even you did not tow at some point.

My guess is that manufacturers will always spec the lowest possible DPF component they can get away with, especially the "less-than-premium" companies like Nissan, given what they think the typical, expected use is going to be. A remap, that includes more turbo boost and more fuel, is the equivalent of having a slightly larger engine, but your DPF, cat, EGR etc remain the same size and spec., not to mention the brakes, autobox, and general drivetrain not being beefed up either....

Many of my caravan friends would walk away from a used Navara that was up for sale, if they suspected it had been remapped.

On the other hand, if your truck is a second vehicle or a toy for fun use, and you didn't need to totally rely on it when a 1000 miles from home, I do get why you'd want to to tune it. I was the same years ago with cars (all petrol though)!
 
Any automatic turbo diesel will be a bit sluggish off the line as the turbo is not spinning at idle (on a manual you will often rev it a bit before dropping the clutch)..
I reckon revving it under no-load does not affect boost pressure that much on a diesel, as exhaust pressure is very dependent on the amount of fuel burnt. Different on petrol, as opening the throttle will shove a lot more air through the turbo compared with that at idle, being a throttled engine. Diesels just have poor throttle response and way more internal mass to spin up. In the US it is not uncommon to left-foot brake with an auto, while loading up the TC by using the 'throttle' pedal - the load does start to increase boost. It's not what I'd do though!
 
I do find that, say when waiting for lights to go green, that if I hold the truck on the brake and rev to 1500 just before moving off that it takes off far more quickly.

I assumed that was because the turbo had spooled up before releasing the brake pedal.
 
It may be that at around 1500 rpm, the engine may be making a lot more torque anyway. I'm not nit-picking, just saying that I've had several turbo diesels and several turbo petrols, and found with the diesels, it was better for the clutch to bite early and just mash the throttle and wait for enough exhaust gas to power the turbo, while the petrols always needed far more clutch slip to avoid sluggishness....

Mind you, the main reason for turbos (on petrol) now is about emissions and economy, and I have not yet spent the kind of money necessary on a car to get proper throttle response that was common pre-turbo, pre-all electronic controls days. I'm just too old be bothered now, but I'm sure most people need to be 40 or above to remember that you could get great throttle response even on relatively weedy cars, compared with some quite fast cars of today :( Hands up those who get the the difference between throttle response and just acceleration! (diesel drivers - no need to raise a hand!).
 
Oh, and I forgot Landmannnn's is a V6 auto, so yes at 1500 with the handbrake on, the engine IS loaded up, burning plenty of fuel, hence the turbo is spinning up. I wrongly thought he was just revving a manual (which is not using much fuel, hence little boost)...
 
Stage 2 remap with forced induction. My v6 is running 354 on the dyno now. Straight 3inch stainless pipe off the manifold. Egr delete and dpf. No back box either. What I’m struggling with is I’m looking to find the equivalent model in the states. Some say it’s a frontier but upon ordering a new grille that doesn’t fit I’m unsure. Can anyone enlighten me as to what a 2012 v6 navara is Calle din the USA please.
 
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