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Thank you for this feedback.
Normally as part of the galvanising process the item will be dipped in some sort of acid bath to clean it inside and out and then dipped into the zinc tank. I thought I would speak to the galvanisers to check how they do it before making any decision.
Cheers,
Peter
 
Thank you for this feedback.
Normally as part of the galvanising process the item will be dipped in some sort of acid bath to clean it inside and out and then dipped into the zinc tank. I thought I would speak to the galvanisers to check how they do it before making any decision.
Cheers,
Peter
As long as you are aware.
NO-ONE should ever have to suffer this manufacturer's shortcoming, let alone twice.
I am surprised no specialist has not stepped in and started to produce NEW galvanised chassis', perhaps Nissan have blocked this?
There is a lot of money there waiting for someone, the longer they leave it the less D40's there will be!
 
I would be wary of any promises with this.
Don't forget these chassis rust from the inside out.
Galvanising is the application of a molten zinc coating, to be successful the parent steel HAS to be perfectly clean, otherwise the zinc will not bond to the steel, if not fully bonded the situation will be worsened as water will stagnate in the spaces between the top zinc coating and the layers of dirty/corroded steel underneath continuing the corrosion.
I simply cannot see how a used chassis can be made clean enough internally for galvanising to be any benefit, externally possibly, it will look nice and shiny but this would be just superficial.
Galvanising a brand new chassis, that's a different story.
It can be done as its sent through several hot acid baths first to clean it, bit like a shell being dipped if they put in drain holes and reinforce the chassis with plates before dipping i can see it being a viable alternative, thankfully not one i need myself touch wood

love this idea simple and it works
 
But, you can't replace what has already corroded away, a 'plated' chassis will always look exactly that, a repair.
 
All true but Thorntons know the difference between a good and bad chassis and they have a good reputation to uphold so they would only use a good viable chassis. I've had another thought. How about crowd funding my new NP300? Seems to be all the rage at the moment.:surprise:
 
So Guinness (Martin) and his lady wife paid me a visit last Thursday with his 2009 plate Nav 2.5 Auto.


The plan was to take a look over his chassis and check out the internals with my borescope before it goes in to Rustbuster for treatment and generally compare my 2008 to his.


Aside from being a lovely guy, having got underneath his Nav, I can honestly say that I've never seen a chassis in such good condition as his.


Sure, there was the odd bit of surface rust and there were signs of some internally, but for a 2009 plate and in comparison to the condition of mine pre-treatment they simply do not compare.


So, despite being a disbeliever, I now accept that the D40 chassis are not ALL the same despite being manufactured by the same plant in Spain. There seems to be a distinct difference in materials used for the condition of both mine and Martin's to differ so much.

Sure, how the trucks have been used, the location during their lives and how well they are maintained will have a large part of this, but in the case of mine and his, there is no other justifiable explanation as to why they would differ in condition so much.


I'm pleased for Martin and following treatment I am sure his Nav will serve him well for the long term.
 
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mine passed last week but I cleaned and chassis paint and wax oiled mine 2 years ago I'm hoping sell it soon but with all this trouble about the chassis they not going be worth anything I did get a letter of Nissan saying that they had had a report from dekra saying that my chassis was solid and nothing wrong with it the letter might help when it comes up for sale


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So Guinness (Martin) and his lady wife paid me a visit last Thursday with his 2009 plate Nav 2.5 Auto.


The plan was to take a look over his chassis and check out the internals with my borescope before it goes in to Rustbuster for treatment and generally compare my 2008 to his.


Aside from being a lovely guy, having got underneath his Nav, I can honestly say that I've never seen a chassis in such good condition as his.


Sure, there was the odd bit of surface rust and there were signs of some internally, but for a 2009 plate and in comparison to the condition of mine pre-treatment they simply do not compare.


So, despite being a disbeliever, I now accept that the D40 chassis are not ALL the same despite being manufactured by the same plant in Spain. There seems to be a distinct difference in materials used for the condition of both mine and Martin's to differ so much.

Sure, how the trucks have been used, the location during their lives and how well they are maintained will have a large part of this, but in the case of mine and his, there is no other justifiable explanation as to why they would differ in condition so much.


I'm pleased for Martin and following treatment I am sure his Nav will serve him well for the long term.
Interesting. I know the Navara is assembled in Spain, there are some unknowns about the chassis manufacturer, possibly one of global companies such as Gestamp although maybe even a Thai manufacturer.

Whoever did the pressing and welding, it is pretty clear than some poor quality steel entered the supply chain.
 
Hi all,
We have a 2006 DCI Aventura (chassis beg VSK) which we purchased last September, hubby was absolutely distraught to discover a small hole near side just in front of spring hanger, right on the weld. (Where front chassis meets back chassis). First thought was to ask our mechanic friend to weld a patch but he suggested contacting Nissan due to the issues with this model. I have read through the posts on this thread, which I have found both very helpful also and alarming at times and we are both a bit shell shocked at the prospect of the car he's always wanted potentially having to be scrapped after paying over ÂŁ7k for it less than 7 months ago.
He's truly devastated and feels like he's put our finances at risk even though he fully researched the car before buying. We had some work done on it 4 months ago and were told the chassis looked fine, he'd bought enough Waxoyl etc to keep it sweet and was about to start doing that when he found the dreaded hole.
Can anyone offer any advice or guide as to what we can expect from Nissan? Timeframes perhaps from first contact to inspection and then pay out if required?
Hubby is really beating himself up at the mo and I need some sort of reassurance if anyone can offer anything - we bought the car to accommodate my electric wheelchair and tow our caravan but our dreams appear to be shattered at the moment. Pics attached...
 

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Sadly, just like mine that hole is the death of the truck. It took about four weeks for my inspection to be done and about five minutes to confirm the bad news. Then a week or so to get your offer from Nissan. Did you buy the truck from a dealer, you may have some comeback there. Other than that, you should be offered market value for it. If you paid VAT you wont get that back as Nissan are paying compensation and not buying the truck off you. It's a sad fact that no-one knows about the problem until they've bought one and then it's too late. You are just one of thousands throughout the world wondering what went wrong. I'm just hoping I get offered enough to get something reasonable as a replacement. I hope you do too!
Cheers,
Peter
 
Hi all,
We have a 2006 DCI Aventura (chassis beg VSK) which we purchased last September, hubby was absolutely distraught to discover a small hole near side just in front of spring hanger, right on the weld. (Where front chassis meets back chassis). First thought was to ask our mechanic friend to weld a patch but he suggested contacting Nissan due to the issues with this model. I have read through the posts on this thread, which I have found both very helpful also and alarming at times and we are both a bit shell shocked at the prospect of the car he's always wanted potentially having to be scrapped after paying over ÂŁ7k for it less than 7 months ago.
He's truly devastated and feels like he's put our finances at risk even though he fully researched the car before buying. We had some work done on it 4 months ago and were told the chassis looked fine, he'd bought enough Waxoyl etc to keep it sweet and was about to start doing that when he found the dreaded hole.
Can anyone offer any advice or guide as to what we can expect from Nissan? Timeframes perhaps from first contact to inspection and then pay out if required?
Hubby is really beating himself up at the mo and I need some sort of reassurance if anyone can offer anything - we bought the car to accommodate my electric wheelchair and tow our caravan but our dreams appear to be shattered at the moment. Pics attached...

Hello Maud and welcome to the forum - I'm just sorry that it is under such circumstances.

Alas, it seems that your Navara is subject to an ever increasing problem and given the hole and location it is likely to be condemned by Nissan and subject to by-back.

I appreciate that this thread is now considerably long with many pages (which probably emphasises the scale of the problem), but I suggest if and when you get a chance that you read each and every page as it contains some helpful advice and step-by-step guidance as to the process.

Your first port of call is to phone Nissan Customer Services (NCS) on the number below, raise a case and arrange an inspection. Given the age of your Navara, you will be entitled to a free inspection (most likely by Dekra) who will inspect, take photographs and prepare a report for Nissan's consideration.

0330 123 1231

At this point, they will take a view and confirm the outcome. I suspect in your case they will make a market-value offer based on age and condition, mileage etc. although they have been known to vary. Based on reports, this is a one-time offer and is not open to negotiation but you could always try if you feel it is too low.

If you have any problems with the free inspection you should cite the technical bulletin that Nissan issued and can be found at the link below.

http://www.nissan-navara.net/20-nav...ra-chat/73554-nissan-tech-bulletin-mot-stations-re-rusty-chassis-reference.html

Best of luck with your case and do keep us posted. If you need any further advice, do not hesitate to ask.

Regards

Scott
 
Firstly thank you both so much for taking the time to reply - just hearing others experience (although I wish it wasn't under these circumstances!!) is comforting in itself and we both really appreciate it so thank you!
Ours is relatively low mileage at just 89k so I'm really hoping we get a good price, we still owe ÂŁ6300 on it :-( we purchased from a car sales place but not a dealer so I doubt we would be able to go down that route....
looks like hubby will be calling Nissan first thing, we can't afford to buy anything else until they pay out really. We took a loan out to buy it although it's not secured/associated to the vehicle, I don't know if that makes a difference either way. Hubby is feeling so sorry for himself, and says he feels sick at the thought of making the call!
Huge thanks again
Maud
 
Firstly thank you both so much for taking the time to reply - just hearing others experience (although I wish it wasn't under these circumstances!!) is comforting in itself and we both really appreciate it so thank you!
Ours is relatively low mileage at just 89k so I'm really hoping we get a good price, we still owe ÂŁ6300 on it :-( we purchased from a car sales place but not a dealer so I doubt we would be able to go down that route....
looks like hubby will be calling Nissan first thing, we can't afford to buy anything else until they pay out really. We took a loan out to buy it although it's not secured/associated to the vehicle, I don't know if that makes a difference either way. Hubby is feeling so sorry for himself, and says he feels sick at the thought of making the call!
Huge thanks again
Maud

No problem, Maud.

Given the mileage, your offer may not be far off the mark, but unfortunately market values for the D40 have suffered somewhat as a consequence of the problem.

Explain to NCS that your Navara is a recent purchase and subject to finance that you need to clear so as not to be in a negative equity position and be able to purchase something else as a replacement. It may have some bearing but Nissan, being the machine that it is, is unlikely to be sympathetic (even though they should). Ultimately the offers they are making are simply goodwill - the warranty on the chassis itself is only three years so they are not compelled to pay out anything.

May I ask what accessories your Navara may have? E.g. Canopy, bullbars, side steps etc.? I ask because you would be entitled to remove these once your offer is confirmed in writing and sell them on. You might not raise thousands and thousands as there are quite literally hundreds of Navaras being bought back so the market is flooded with parts, but it might go some way to make up for any shortfall between amounts owed on the loan and your pay-out.

I suggest you await the outcome of your inspection and the report first. You may find that your chassis is salvageable and repairable, (at your own cost) although they are generally rotting inside out, so may need further works later down the line and in most cases the buy-back is the best option all round.

If you or your hubby would like to talk through your options then please feel free to send me a Private Message and I'll send you my contact details.

Best wishes


Scott


P.S. Did you take any form of warranty out with the motor dealer who sold it to you?
 
Thank you Scott, I really appreciate everything you've taken the time to add.
The finance was in form of a loan - the loan taken out by my son on my husbands behalf and the vehicle was not mentioned in the application- will that make a difference? We could obviously prove (if needed) through bank statements the audit trail of transfer and then payment to car sales etc but hubby thinks that mentioning finance maybe a bad move!? He thinks he's read somewhere that Nissan won't touch it if they think there is finance on it... (he doesn't 'do' talking to people on the telephone lol so I need to know he's saying the right thing.

The warranty was 3 months and not worth the glossy booklet it came in - as we discovered 7 weeks after purchase when the half shaft seals went! The garage owner was decent enough though and paid for all parts and labour - cheaply as our friend did the work. I doubt he'd be so accommodating with this tho :-(

Based on the pics do you think we may get a buy back offer? I know nothing's guaranteed but I feel like might be the best option. Our friend says he could weld patches forever more but I don't think we feel the same about the truck now and as you say we can't see what's on the inside. Do they come back after inspections and say it's ok? And if so what if it goes wrong again months later? A car of its age should certainly not be looking like a Swiss cheese surely???

What a mess... what a weekend! Fingers.. and toes crossed Nissan come up with a favourable offer.
 
To be honest it will be a guess on the pay-out. Historically they have ranged from ÂŁ4k to ÂŁ7k depending on mileage and condition. The receipt from your purchase will help, even if you did pay right at the top end of the value.
 
Thank you Scott, I really appreciate everything you've taken the time to add.
The finance was in form of a loan - the loan taken out by my son on my husbands behalf and the vehicle was not mentioned in the application- will that make a difference? We could obviously prove (if needed) through bank statements the audit trail of transfer and then payment to car sales etc but hubby thinks that mentioning finance maybe a bad move!? He thinks he's read somewhere that Nissan won't touch it if they think there is finance on it... (he doesn't 'do' talking to people on the telephone lol so I need to know he's saying the right thing.

The warranty was 3 months and not worth the glossy booklet it came in - as we discovered 7 weeks after purchase when the half shaft seals went! The garage owner was decent enough though and paid for all parts and labour - cheaply as our friend did the work. I doubt he'd be so accommodating with this tho :-(

Based on the pics do you think we may get a buy back offer? I know nothing's guaranteed but I feel like might be the best option. Our friend says he could weld patches forever more but I don't think we feel the same about the truck now and as you say we can't see what's on the inside. Do they come back after inspections and say it's ok? And if so what if it goes wrong again months later? A car of its age should certainly not be looking like a Swiss cheese surely???

What a mess... what a weekend! Fingers.. and toes crossed Nissan come up with a favourable offer.

Hello Maud


Okay, so from a finance perspective, it would not have any bearing on whether Nissan pay out or not, so don't worry about that.


Further, and in your case, the Navara itself is not subject to outstanding finance since it is not being held as security against the loan. The loan you have taken out is unsecured and entirely separate and distinct. When you discuss matters with Nissan explain that you took out a personal loan to purchase the vehicle, the lion share of which remains outstanding and you'd expect any buy-back to at least cover this...


As Landmannn states, however, the buy-back values have varied considerably and there doesn't appear to be any science or consistency behind it.


The 2006 is one of the older models out there and residual values will be lower as a consequence. That said, the mileage on yours is very low and well below average, so you should expect a little more. Other things to consider are the general condition of the truck and service history (which doesn't have to be Nissan main dealer).


Clearly I am no vehicle inspector and I don't know what critera Nissan apply when reviewing cases, but in my opinion, I can't see your chassis passing. It seems too far gone and I'd be confident in saying that the hole and corrosion you can actively see will be just the tip of the iceberg. If you were to get underneath and give it a good tap with a hammer chances are you'll remove lots of flakes of rust which will expose a far deeper problem. An internal inspection with a borescope will reveal the true depth of the problem inside.


While your friend my be able to plate the chassis as and when required, remember you can only weld good steel to good steel and given the condition, I suspect you'll find that the existing steel is too far gone to get a decent weld.


The chassis on my Navara was in a very poor state, but was salvageable. No cracks and no holes and solid all round despite the surface rust. On this basis I took the decision to have it treated inside and out and had four stiffening plates welded on at the area of weakness (two inner and two outer) for peace of mind. I had the canopy and truck bed removed to enable greater access and ensure a thorough job was done.


I'm glad I had the work done as it would have been inevitable that it would have eventually rotted through. Even then I can't say I'm 100% at ease that it will see me through the next five of so years, but I've done what I can to at least prolong its life.


However, if my chassis was in the condition of yours at that time, I wouldn't have even considered it and resigned myself to the fact it had corroded beyond repair.


To answer your question, yes, Nissan have passed chassis following the Dekra inspection, but remember this is only to MOT standard. If there are no visible signs of corrosion or perforation in the key areas of concern as per the Technical Bulletin then they will not buy-back. This will include corrosion to cross members and areas that fall outside of the areas of focus depending of course upon he extent of the rot.


In your case, however, the hole is located in the 'sweet spot' so I cannot see them wriggling out of this one.


Ultimately you are correct. Despite the length of warranty on the chassis being only three years, you should not expect a vehicle of the D40's age to be corroding so quickly. Remember this is a truck that was deigned and built for a hard life but as we are discovering (at least in many cases) it is clearly not fit for purpose.
 
Hi all,
Apologies for the delay in replying - managed to forget my password and only realised after typing a lengthy reply! My mind is in other places at the mo - not sure why!! :serious:
To update - hubby called NCS yesterday and they went through the standard process of opening a case etc as expected, even the advisor commented on the low mileage so hopefully thats a good sign but as we know its not down to the person taking the calls. He told them that we owed a substantial amount on the truck but obviously not secured - they double checked that with him as i guess from the info you wonderful guys have given that has an impact on the situation. Thankfully we didn't pay VAT so wont lose any further there, we do have full service history if that helps? We will now start the process of looking at replacement vehicles - hopefully Nissan do make an offer as we may have to commit before knowing fully what the outcome is. We can't afford for him to be without a vehicle as he needs to get to work... He's in the process of pricing up parts he can remove if needed, we have an Armadillo cover and side steps but they are used of course but at least if we get something for them it will be a blessing.
HUGE Thanks to you all once again - your support, time and information is invaluable to use at the moment - very much appreciated.

Maud
 
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